Ramp

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Ramp

Ramp makes money from interchange fees — the 1.5-2.5% that merchants pay on every credit card transaction. Unlike consumer cards that share interchange with users through rewards, Ramp gives a flat 1.5% cashback and keeps the rest.

The real business model is becoming the financial operating system for companies: once a company uses Ramp's card, they also use Ramp for expense management, bill pay, accounting automation, and procurement — all of which increase switching costs and customer lifetime value.

Zoom

Zoom uses a freemium model. Free accounts get unlimited one-on-one meetings and 40-minute group meetings.

Paid plans start at $13.33/month per user for Pro (meetings up to 30 hours), $18.33/month for Business, and custom pricing for Enterprise. Zoom also charges for add-ons — Zoom Phone (cloud phone system), Zoom Rooms (conference room hardware), and Zoom Contact Center.

The free tier is the hook. The 40-minute limit on group calls creates just enough friction to push power users to pay.

And once one person in a company pays, the whole team follows because nobody wants to be the one whose meetings keep getting cut off.

Ramp

Eric Glyman and Karim Atiyeh had previously co-founded Paribus, a tool that automatically got refunds when prices dropped on things you'd already bought. Capital One acquired Paribus in 2016.

The experience taught them something: businesses were terrible at managing their spending, and the tools they used — corporate credit cards from Amex and Chase — were designed to encourage spending, not control it.

In 2019, they launched Ramp with a contrarian premise. Every other corporate card company made money by getting businesses to spend more (higher spend = more interchange revenue).

Ramp would make money from interchange too, but would actively help businesses spend less through automated expense management, duplicate subscription detection, and price negotiation.

The pitch to CFOs was irresistible: get a corporate card with 1.5% cashback, and we'll also find you an average of 5% savings on your total spending through our software. The card was the wedge.

The expense management platform was the real product.

Zoom

Eric Yuan grew up in Tai'an, a mining city in Shandong province, China. In the mid-1990s he was in his twenties and inspired by the internet boom happening in America.

He applied for a US visa. He was rejected.

He applied again. Rejected again.

Eight times in total over about two years before he was finally approved in 1997. He moved to Silicon Valley with barely any English and joined WebEx as one of its first engineers.

Yuan spent 14 years at WebEx, eventually becoming VP of Engineering. Cisco acquired WebEx in 2007 for $3.2 billion.

Yuan watched Cisco slowly bloat the product with enterprise features while the core video quality deteriorated. He kept telling Cisco leadership they needed to rebuild the product from scratch.

They kept saying no.

In 2011, Yuan quit and took 40 WebEx engineers with him. He founded Zoom Video Communications with a simple thesis: video meetings should just work.

No downloads. No lag.

No "can you hear me?" No IT department required. He built the product that Cisco refused to build.

Ramp

Ramp grew by selling savings, not credit. The pitch to finance teams was: "We'll save you more money than we cost you." In an era when every company was looking to cut costs, Ramp offered a corporate card that came with a free expense management platform that actively found savings.

CFOs couldn't say no.

The product-led approach bypassed traditional enterprise sales cycles. A finance manager could sign up for Ramp, issue cards, and start seeing savings within a week — no six-month procurement process, no IT integration project.

The free expense management tools were so good that companies switched from Concur, Expensify, and Brex just for the software, with the card as a bonus.

Speed of execution was the differentiator. Ramp shipped features faster than any competitor.

They went from a corporate card to a full financial operations platform in three years. Every quarter, Ramp launched features that competitors took a year to build.

By 2024, over 25,000 businesses were using Ramp and the company was processing tens of billions in annualized spend.

Zoom

Zoom grew on one thing: it worked. In a world where every video call started with five minutes of technical issues, Zoom calls just connected.

That reliability was the entire marketing strategy for the first five years.

The freemium model did the rest. Teachers, coaches, therapists, book clubs, and small teams all started on the free tier.

When they hit the 40-minute limit, enough of them converted to paid. And every free meeting was essentially a demo — everyone in the meeting saw how good Zoom was.

Yuan obsessed over simplicity. While competitors like WebEx and GoToMeeting required downloads, plugins, and IT involvement, Zoom worked in the browser with one click.

The learning curve was essentially zero. Your grandmother could figure it out.

That turned out to be extremely important when a pandemic suddenly required your grandmother to figure it out.

Then COVID happened. In March 2020, the world shut down.

Every meeting — work, school, family, doctor, church, happy hour — moved to video. Zoom was already the easiest option.

Daily participants exploded from 10 million to 300 million in four months. The stock went from $70 to $588.

Ramp

Brex is the obvious competitor. Brex launched two years before Ramp with a similar corporate card concept and had the first-mover advantage.

But Brex pivoted away from small businesses to focus on enterprise in 2022 — angering thousands of existing customers — while Ramp doubled down on serving companies of all sizes. The competition has become a case study in strategic focus versus strategic pivots.

The "spend less" positioning has a mathematical ceiling. If Ramp's AI genuinely helps companies spend less, the interchange revenue from those companies also decreases.

There's an inherent tension between the mission (reduce spending) and the revenue model (earn a percentage of spending). Ramp has managed this by growing the customer base faster than individual customer spending declines.

Enterprise sales is the next frontier and it's expensive. Moving upmarket from startups and mid-market companies to Fortune 500 enterprises requires a sales team, implementation support, and enterprise features that cost real money to build and sell.

Ramp has been investing heavily in enterprise capabilities, but competing with Amex and JP Morgan for large corporate accounts is a different game than winning startups.

Zoom

The post-pandemic hangover has been severe. Zoom's stock peaked at $588 in October 2020 and crashed to under $70 by 2022 — an 88% drop.

The company went from the most exciting tech stock on the planet to a cautionary tale about pandemic valuations. Revenue growth slowed from 300%+ to single digits as people returned to offices and competitors caught up.

Security and "Zoombombing" were early crises. In early 2020, as millions of new users flooded in, trolls discovered they could join open Zoom meetings and share offensive content.

Schools, churches, and AA meetings were disrupted. It turned out Zoom's encryption wasn't truly end-to-end as advertised.

Yuan had to halt all feature development for 90 days and focus exclusively on security fixes. It was a near-death reputational crisis.

Competition from Microsoft Teams and Google Meet intensified. Both companies bundled video calling for free into products that hundreds of millions of people already used.

Microsoft Teams integrated directly into Office 365. Google Meet was built into Gmail.

Zoom had to compete against free products from two of the richest companies on Earth.

Ramp

Ramp Corporate Card is the core — unlimited physical and virtual cards with 1.5% cashback and built-in spend controls. Ramp Expense Management automates receipt matching, policy enforcement, and reimbursements.

Ramp Bill Pay handles vendor payments and AP automation. Ramp Procurement manages vendor contracts and purchase approvals.

Ramp Intelligence uses AI to identify duplicate subscriptions, negotiate better rates, and flag wasteful spending. Ramp Flex offers flexible payment terms for businesses that need to extend their payables cycle.

Ramp Accounting automates close processes and syncs with QuickBooks, Xero, NetSuite, and Sage.

Zoom

Zoom Meetings is the core — video calls that actually work. Zoom Webinars handles large-scale events with up to 50,000 attendees.

Zoom Phone is a full cloud-based phone system replacing traditional office phones. Zoom Rooms turns physical conference rooms into one-click video meeting spaces.

Zoom Contact Center competes with established call center software. Zoom Team Chat is their Slack/Teams competitor.

Zoom Whiteboard is a collaborative digital canvas. Zoom Revenue Accelerator uses AI to analyze sales calls.

And Zoom AI Companion summarizes meetings and drafts messages.

Ramp

Founders Fund, D1 Capital, Stripe, Goldman Sachs, Thrive Capital, General Catalyst, Khosla Ventures

Zoom

Sequoia Capital, Emergence Capital, Horizons Ventures (Li Ka-shing), Qualcomm Ventures