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PATREON
A YouTube musician who couldn't pay rent despite getting millions of views built a platform so that creators c…
SEA GROUP
Sea Group is the rare Southeast Asian tech company that built three completely different businesses — gaming, …
AT A GLANCE
FUNDING HISTORY
Patreon
Sea Group
BUSINESS MODEL
Patreon
Patreon takes a percentage of every payment processed through the platform. It used to run three tiers — 5%, 8% and 12% depending on how many features a creator wanted — and creators who signed up back then are still on those rates.
Everyone joining now pays a flat 8%.
On top of the platform fee, payment processing fees (typically 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction) are passed to either the creator or patron depending on the plan. The combined take rate means Patreon captures roughly 8-15% of the money flowing through the platform.
The business scales beautifully. More creators attract more patrons.
More patrons increase creator earnings. Higher earnings attract more creators.
And Patreon's cut grows proportionally with every dollar processed. Creators have been paid more than $8 billion through the platform since it launched in 2013.
Sea Group
Sea runs three distinct businesses under one roof, and the genius of the structure is how they feed each other.
Garena is the gaming division. It develops and publishes games — most famously Free Fire, which Sea built itself after years of just licensing other people's games.
Free Fire launched in 2017 and became a phenomenon in emerging markets. It's a battle royale game optimized for low-end Android devices and slow internet connections.
Exactly the phone most people in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and India actually own. Garena makes money through in-game purchases — skins, characters, seasonal passes.
At its peak, Free Fire had over 100 million daily active users.
Shopee is the e-commerce marketplace. It operates like a hybrid of Amazon and eBay — sellers list products, buyers purchase, Sea handles payments, logistics coordination, and marketing.
Shopee makes money through advertising, transaction fees, and value-added services for sellers. It's now the dominant e-commerce platform in Southeast Asia and has a significant presence in Brazil.
SeaMoney is the fintech arm. It offers mobile wallets, digital payments, buy-now-pay-later, and banking services through MariBank in Singapore.
The pitch is simple: hundreds of millions of people in Southeast Asia are unbanked or underbanked. Give them a mobile wallet tied to their Shopee account and they'll use it for everything.
It's the super-app play, executed patiently.
HOW THEY STARTED
Patreon
Jack Conte was one half of Pomplamoose, an indie music duo that went viral on YouTube in the late 2000s. Their cover of Beyoncé's "Single Ladies" got millions of views.
Their original music was critically praised. And they were barely making enough to pay rent.
The math was brutal. A million YouTube views paid about $1,500 in ad revenue.
Conte spent weeks producing high-quality music videos that cost thousands to make. The economics didn't work.
YouTube's ad model paid creators fractions of a penny per view. Spotify paid fractions of a penny per stream.
For mid-tier creators — popular enough to have a real audience but not famous enough for brand deals — the internet was a machine that turned creative labor into pennies.
In 2013, Conte teamed up with Sam Yam, a college roommate and developer at AdRoll. Their idea was simple: let fans pay creators directly through monthly subscriptions.
Not per-video donations. Not tips.
Recurring monthly payments — like a Netflix subscription but for individual creators. They called it Patreon, from "patron of the arts." The platform launched in May 2013 and signed up its first creator the same week.
Sea Group
Forrest Li moved from China to Singapore in 2005 to do his MBA at Stanford. He didn't go back.
In 2009, he founded Garena — which literally means 'Global Arena' — as an online gaming platform for Southeast Asia. The region was massively underserved.
Hundreds of millions of young, mobile-first users with low PC penetration but exploding smartphone adoption. Nobody was building for them.
Li saw that gap and went straight at it.
Garena started by licensing popular PC games — League of Legends, FIFA Online — and localizing them for markets like Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines. It was a straightforward licensing model, unglamorous, not the kind of thing that gets TechCrunch headlines.
But it worked. Garena quietly became the dominant gaming platform across Southeast Asia.
The company rebranded to Sea Limited in 2017 when it IPO'd on the New York Stock Exchange, raising $884 million. By then, Li had already launched Shopee in 2015 — an e-commerce marketplace — and SeaMoney, a digital payments and financial services arm, was taking shape.
Three businesses. One holding company.
The bet was that gaming would fund the others until they could stand on their own. That's exactly what happened.
HOW THEY GREW
Patreon
Patreon grew through creator evangelism. When a podcaster or YouTuber told their audience "support me on Patreon," that was free marketing to exactly the right audience.
Every creator who joins becomes a distribution channel.
The platform expanded beyond its indie roots by courting bigger creators. Podcasters were the first breakout category — shows like Chapo Trap House, True Crime Obsessed, and Last Podcast on the Left built six-figure monthly incomes on Patreon.
Then YouTubers, writers, musicians, and visual artists followed.
International expansion drove the next phase. Patreon now supports payments in multiple currencies and serves creators in over 180 countries.
The creator economy is global — a manga artist in Japan can have patrons in Brazil paying in US dollars, processed through Patreon seamlessly.
Sea Group
The counterintuitive move was using gaming to subsidize e-commerce. Most tech companies pick a lane.
Sea used Garena's cash flows — which were enormous when Free Fire was at its peak — to fund Shopee's aggressive, money-losing expansion. They didn't need to raise debt or dilute shareholders to burn cash in new markets.
The gaming division was basically an ATM.
Free Fire itself was a masterclass in product-market fit. Instead of porting a premium game to low-end markets and watching it fail, Sea built a battle royale game from scratch that ran on 1GB RAM Android phones with patchy 3G connections.
The game was optimized for exactly the hardware that 800 million people in emerging markets actually owned. Nobody else was doing that.
Shopee's growth hack was localization taken to an almost absurd degree. They didn't just translate the app.
They hired local teams in every market, ran country-specific campaigns, integrated local payment methods, and partnered with local logistics providers. In Brazil, they ran Shopee-branded motorbike delivery.
In Indonesia, they integrated with hundreds of local courier companies. The playbook was: be more local than the locals.
The final piece was the flywheel. A Garena user downloads Free Fire, spends money on in-game items using SeaMoney's wallet, then starts buying physical goods on Shopee with the same wallet.
Three products, one ecosystem, one user. That's the compounding effect Li was building toward from day one.
THE HARD PART
Patreon
Platform risk is the core vulnerability. Patreon is entirely dependent on creators choosing to use it.
If YouTube, Instagram, or TikTok build sufficiently good subscription tools (YouTube Memberships already exists, Instagram Subscriptions launched), creators might consolidate onto the platforms where their audiences already live. Why send fans to Patreon when they can subscribe directly on YouTube?
The moderation challenge is constant. Patreon hosts content across the entire creative spectrum — including adult content, political commentary, and controversial creators.
Payment processors (Stripe, PayPal) have their own content policies and have pressured Patreon to remove creators. Every moderation decision risks alienating a segment of the creator community.
Revenue concentration is a risk. A relatively small number of top creators generate a disproportionate share of Patreon's revenue.
If a handful of the biggest creators leave for a competing platform or build their own subscription tools, it would materially impact Patreon's business.
Sea Group
The post-pandemic collapse was brutal and nearly existential for the stock, if not the business. During COVID, Sea was the perfect story — gaming was up, e-commerce was up, digital payments were up.
The stock hit $372 in October 2021. Market cap touched $200 billion.
Sea was the most valuable company ever to come out of Southeast Asia.
Then the world opened back up. Free Fire's daily active users fell off a cliff as people left their homes again.
Garena had funded the empire, and now the empire's funding engine was broken. Sea lost its license to publish Free Fire in India after the Indian government banned Chinese-linked apps.
India had been a massive market. Gone overnight.
Sea responded by cutting costs aggressively — laying off staff, retreating from markets like France, Spain, Poland, and India where Shopee had expanded without yet reaching profitability. The stock fell from $372 to under $40 by early 2023.
A 90% drawdown. That's not a correction.
That's a reset.
The deeper challenge is structural. Shopee competes with Lazada (backed by Alibaba), TikTok Shop (which has exploded in Southeast Asia), and increasingly with Temu and Shein.
These are not small competitors. TikTok Shop in particular has disrupted the e-commerce landscape in Indonesia and Thailand faster than most analysts expected.
Sea has scale and local knowledge, but the fight for Southeast Asia's e-commerce market is far from over.
THE PRODUCTS
Patreon
Patreon Memberships — the core product allowing creators to offer tiered monthly subscriptions with exclusive content, early access, behind-the-scenes material, and community perks. Patreon Commerce — tools for selling digital downloads, merchandise, and one-time purchases directly to fans.
Patreon Community — Discord-style community features built natively into Patreon, including chat, posts, and polls for patron-only spaces. Patreon Video — native video hosting so creators can post exclusive content directly on Patreon instead of using unlisted YouTube links.
Patreon Free Membership — a free tier that lets fans follow creators and access some content, serving as a conversion funnel to paid tiers.
Sea Group
Free Fire is the crown jewel — a mobile battle royale game with over 100 million daily active users at its peak, built specifically for low-end Android devices in emerging markets. It's been the most downloaded mobile game globally multiple times and remains dominant across Southeast Asia and Latin America despite declining from its COVID peak.
Shopee is Sea's e-commerce marketplace and the business with the highest long-term ceiling. It operates across Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, and Brazil.
It's consistently ranked the most-visited e-commerce site in Southeast Asia. The app includes livestream shopping, local seller tools, Shopee Pay, and Shopee Food in select markets.
SeaMoney — now operating as the financial services umbrella — includes ShopeePay (mobile wallet integrated with the Shopee checkout), SeaBank (a licensed digital bank in the Philippines and Indonesia), and MariBank (a digital bank in Singapore). The pitch is financial inclusion for the underbanked, backed by transaction data from Shopee.
WHO BACKED THEM
Patreon
Index Ventures led the Series A. Tiger Global led the 2021 round that valued Patreon at $4 billion.
Tiger Global participated in growth rounds. Initialized Capital was an early backer.
DFJ Growth and Wellington Management invested in later rounds. Creators themselves, including YouTubers and podcasters, have been informal ambassadors and some have invested personally.
Sea Group
Sea went public in 2017 without needing a late-stage mega-round from the usual suspects. But it had institutional backing from early on.
Tencent is the most significant external shareholder — the Chinese gaming giant held a roughly 22% stake at various points, which gave Sea both credibility in gaming and a complicated geopolitical headache as anti-China sentiment grew in Southeast Asia and the U.S.
Naveen Tewari's General Atlantic and other growth equity funds participated in rounds before the IPO. Post-IPO, Sea attracted attention from large institutional investors including T.
Rowe Price, BlackRock, and various sovereign wealth funds drawn to the Southeast Asia growth story.
Masayoshi Son's SoftBank also took a stake — consistent with SoftBank's bet on emerging market consumer internet platforms. The Tencent relationship is the most interesting one because it's both a competitive asset (access to gaming IP and distribution) and a liability (political risk in markets sensitive to Chinese corporate influence).